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Marie Howe. Publisher: W. This specific ISBN edition is currently not available. View all copies of this ISBN edition:. Hurrying through errands, attending a dying mother, helping her own child down the playground slide, the speaker in these poems wonders: what is the difference between the self and the soul? The secular and the sacred? Where is the kingdom of heaven? About the Author : Marie Howe is the former poet laureate of New York and the author of three previous collections. From Publishers Weekly : Starred Review. Buy New Learn more about this copy.

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Search for all books with this author and title. Customers who bought this item also bought. Stock Image. Published by W. New Hardcover Quantity Available: 1. Tippett: Yeah, right. It is. Can we learn to be wise? These are great questions. I think that many of us are used to being in several places at once and in several time zones at once.

Tippett: I also think real time is a way we talk about the news cycle, things happening in real time. Is real time as real as ordinary time? Howe: Well, so many thoughts at once. Ordinary time originally meant to me when I would go through the missal when I was a kid.

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Remember, those swaths of time between high holy seasons was ordinary time. Howe: And there was always coming, the coming of ordinary time, the coming of ordinary time, the coming of — and then first Sunday of ordinary time, second Sunday of ordinary time. I remember just thinking what a strange and wonderful way of talking about everyday life. And then someone just sent me a book, a Jungian psychoanalyst has written a book. Where are we when there is no center? The old gods are dead. So now, how do we experience this amazing Web while also retaining a sense of personal responsibility and relationship?

Or this was in an interview. Identity means less and less to me.

Howe: Identity. Do you feel that way? Tippett: I have less need as I grow older to pin things down and tie them up. To be transparent would be nice, to move through the world transparently. That would be a relief. Today, with the poet Marie Howe. Tippett: Some people I know have called you a religious poet. Tippett: I think to label you a religious poet is to put you in a box. And that, in fact, the way religion or the soul comes into your poetry actually kind of takes it out of that box and puts it back into life. Tippett: I mean, I think sometimes the reason people have called you a religious poet is because you do work with a lot of religious imagery and stories and characters.

I love Magdalene. And I think of her as someone who really struggled with her subjectivity too and came into it and found herself. Howe: Right. And instead of a woman who was standing there and open and could see, and was interested and alive and relational. Actually, the only thing written about Magdalene in the New Testament as far as I could see was in Luke.

And the ant — its bifurcated body. That was the first one. I had no time. The first was that I could never get to the end of the list. Tippett: I like it. I hear myself reflected, which is, of course, the point. Howe: Yeah, me too. All of those characters were us — are us.

Tippett: Right? That disconnect between who we think we are, and maybe who we really are, and who other people see us as, and the anguish of those disconnects. Howe: Can we ever really be seen? I think the thing of Jesus — I mean, he must have been like this, and Buddha must have been, and all these great enlightened ones — he must have been able to really see people. I mean all those guys were constantly screwing up.

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Actually, I think they should have been a little bit more ashamed. Howe: I know, me too. What do you think? Tippett: I want you to read some more poetry.

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I usually try to be careful with my notes. This is something you wrote or said maybe in another interview, that art helps us to let our heart break open, rather than close. And how do you think the stakes of that art helping us let our heart break open, how the form and the stakes of that are different at different points — different at different points in your life and maybe in all of our lives?

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I mean, things are going to happen all the time. The unendurable happens. Art knows that. Art holds that knowledge. It can hold it. And thank God it can because nothing out in the capitalistic corporate world is going to shine that back to us, but art holds it. I mean, people suffer.

People are suffering now an endurable suffering way beyond what I did. Right this minute, someone is in a prison being tortured for no reason. And there they all were. And it was so great to be in their company. And alternatively, the day I said to my daughter for the first and maybe only time when she was 4 years old — I remember where I was standing in Austin, Texas, making her bed. I just joined you.

So I think that we join each other. Emily dinkinson wrote those amazing poems. Tippett: What would you like to read?

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And I know those are — I think those are older for you. So these are all line poems where Mary was talking.

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And I wrote about four of them, and I went to show them to Stanley Kunitz, who was my friend for many years.